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In What Way Would Cryomancy Affect the Food Eaten by Medieval People?
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Cryomancy is magic involving the removal of heat from an object by converting thermal energy into magical energy, thereby cooling the object. The conversion to magical energy is not perfect (some small amount of heat is released after removing it from the object or area of effect), however I do not believe this will affect your answers.
Food can be cooled from room temperature to just below freezing (30℉/-1℃).
Food can be magically maintained at the intended temperature indefinitely. This is done by enchanting the area around the food, not the food itself. The maximum area of effect is a radius of 15'/4.5m.
The effects of Cryomancy on food are similar to those produced by flash-freezing. Additionally, if it can be frozen via flash-freezing, it can also be frozen using Cryomancy.
Question: How would Cyromancy affect the eating habits of Medieval peoples?
Magic is unavailable to the average person, forcing the employment of mages (much like the average person today not having direct access to flash-freezing equipment). The majority of mages are of equivalent social status as a blacksmith.
For the purpose of this question, assume we're talking about London during the 1500’s
magic medieval food cryogenics
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Cryomancy is magic involving the removal of heat from an object by converting thermal energy into magical energy, thereby cooling the object. The conversion to magical energy is not perfect (some small amount of heat is released after removing it from the object or area of effect), however I do not believe this will affect your answers.
Food can be cooled from room temperature to just below freezing (30℉/-1℃).
Food can be magically maintained at the intended temperature indefinitely. This is done by enchanting the area around the food, not the food itself. The maximum area of effect is a radius of 15'/4.5m.
The effects of Cryomancy on food are similar to those produced by flash-freezing. Additionally, if it can be frozen via flash-freezing, it can also be frozen using Cryomancy.
Question: How would Cyromancy affect the eating habits of Medieval peoples?
Magic is unavailable to the average person, forcing the employment of mages (much like the average person today not having direct access to flash-freezing equipment). The majority of mages are of equivalent social status as a blacksmith.
For the purpose of this question, assume we're talking about London during the 1500’s
magic medieval food cryogenics
asked 5 hours ago
Liam MorrisLiam Morris
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
3 hours ago
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
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– Pelinore
1 hour ago
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
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– John Dvorak
31 mins ago
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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– JBH
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Cryomancy is magic involving the removal of heat from an object by converting thermal energy into magical energy, thereby cooling the object. The conversion to magical energy is not perfect (some small amount of heat is released after removing it from the object or area of effect), however I do not believe this will affect your answers.
Food can be cooled from room temperature to just below freezing (30℉/-1℃).
Food can be magically maintained at the intended temperature indefinitely. This is done by enchanting the area around the food, not the food itself. The maximum area of effect is a radius of 15'/4.5m.
The effects of Cryomancy on food are similar to those produced by flash-freezing. Additionally, if it can be frozen via flash-freezing, it can also be frozen using Cryomancy.
Question: How would Cyromancy affect the eating habits of Medieval peoples?
Magic is unavailable to the average person, forcing the employment of mages (much like the average person today not having direct access to flash-freezing equipment). The majority of mages are of equivalent social status as a blacksmith.
For the purpose of this question, assume we're talking about London during the 1500’s
magic medieval food cryogenics
asked 5 hours ago
Liam MorrisLiam Morris
1,431319
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Cryomancy is magic involving the removal of heat from an object by converting thermal energy into magical energy, thereby cooling the object. The conversion to magical energy is not perfect (some small amount of heat is released after removing it from the object or area of effect), however I do not believe this will affect your answers.
Food can be cooled from room temperature to just below freezing (30℉/-1℃).
Food can be magically maintained at the intended temperature indefinitely. This is done by enchanting the area around the food, not the food itself. The maximum area of effect is a radius of 15'/4.5m.
The effects of Cryomancy on food are similar to those produced by flash-freezing. Additionally, if it can be frozen via flash-freezing, it can also be frozen using Cryomancy.
Question: How would Cyromancy affect the eating habits of Medieval peoples?
Magic is unavailable to the average person, forcing the employment of mages (much like the average person today not having direct access to flash-freezing equipment). The majority of mages are of equivalent social status as a blacksmith.
For the purpose of this question, assume we're talking about London during the 1500’s
magic medieval food cryogenics
magic medieval food cryogenics
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
3 hours ago
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
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– Pelinore
1 hour ago
1
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
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– John Dvorak
31 mins ago
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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– JBH
25 mins ago
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
3 hours ago
1
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
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– Pelinore
1 hour ago
1
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
1
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
31 mins ago
1
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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– JBH
25 mins ago
1
1
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
3 hours ago
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
3 hours ago
1
1
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
1 hour ago
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
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– Pelinore
1 hour ago
1
1
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
1
1
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
31 mins ago
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
31 mins ago
1
1
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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– JBH
25 mins ago
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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A few first ideas:
- Food becomes less seasonal
- Exotic food becomes available
- Some diseases might become rarer because it is easier to provide a steady diet
- Famines might be avoided
Maybe forget about food, what else can you conserve?! Dead bodies! Okay, also food in some
cases. But
- Could also open up things like autopsies for crime investigation.
- Plagues might be avoided by freezing areas where they develop. Or by generally advancing medicine.
Maybe the general impact is not that high because people already knew how to preserve many foods, of course now you can keep the strawberries without turning them into jam but that might not be worth paying a wizard. Depending on how rare they are.
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You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
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– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
4 hours ago
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
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– Pelinore
4 hours ago
1
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@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
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3 hours ago
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
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This is going to vary based on several factors - for example, how long do your enchanted cold-spaces last? Is this something that a Mage can cast on your Larder once per year, and you use it as a fridge for the next 12 months? Or, does it need to be renewed weekly?
In the former case, you would probably see "travelling Mages" moving from village to village throughout the year, spending a week or so renewing enchantments (private for the well-to-do, or communal spaces for poorer families to share) much like a merchant. In the latter case, nobles (or merchants and farming cooperatives) might keep a couple of mages on staff to ensure their perishables don't, well, perish.
Food storage and preservation is going to be the first big boon - 'fresh' milk, fruit or vegetables for more of the year, instead of cheeses, jams and chutneys. Meat could be kept for longer without salting, smoking or pickling. Both of these will improve the nutritional value of the food (or, rather, remove the requirement to reduce it for storage) and lead to people being healthier
Nobles might also start experimenting with frozen foods and deserts to show off their wealth - assuming that cryomancy was not too cheap or common.
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A few first ideas:
- Food becomes less seasonal
- Exotic food becomes available
- Some diseases might become rarer because it is easier to provide a steady diet
- Famines might be avoided
Maybe forget about food, what else can you conserve?! Dead bodies! Okay, also food in some
cases. But
- Could also open up things like autopsies for crime investigation.
- Plagues might be avoided by freezing areas where they develop. Or by generally advancing medicine.
Maybe the general impact is not that high because people already knew how to preserve many foods, of course now you can keep the strawberries without turning them into jam but that might not be worth paying a wizard. Depending on how rare they are.
answered 5 hours ago
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You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
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– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
4 hours ago
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
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– Pelinore
4 hours ago
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@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
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– Liam Morris
3 hours ago
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A few first ideas:
- Food becomes less seasonal
- Exotic food becomes available
- Some diseases might become rarer because it is easier to provide a steady diet
- Famines might be avoided
Maybe forget about food, what else can you conserve?! Dead bodies! Okay, also food in some
cases. But
- Could also open up things like autopsies for crime investigation.
- Plagues might be avoided by freezing areas where they develop. Or by generally advancing medicine.
Maybe the general impact is not that high because people already knew how to preserve many foods, of course now you can keep the strawberries without turning them into jam but that might not be worth paying a wizard. Depending on how rare they are.
answered 5 hours ago
genesisgenesis
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You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
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– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
4 hours ago
1
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago
1
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago
2
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
$endgroup$
– Liam Morris
3 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
$begingroup$
A few first ideas:
- Food becomes less seasonal
- Exotic food becomes available
- Some diseases might become rarer because it is easier to provide a steady diet
- Famines might be avoided
Maybe forget about food, what else can you conserve?! Dead bodies! Okay, also food in some
cases. But
- Could also open up things like autopsies for crime investigation.
- Plagues might be avoided by freezing areas where they develop. Or by generally advancing medicine.
Maybe the general impact is not that high because people already knew how to preserve many foods, of course now you can keep the strawberries without turning them into jam but that might not be worth paying a wizard. Depending on how rare they are.
answered 5 hours ago
genesisgenesis
613
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A few first ideas:
- Food becomes less seasonal
- Exotic food becomes available
- Some diseases might become rarer because it is easier to provide a steady diet
- Famines might be avoided
Maybe forget about food, what else can you conserve?! Dead bodies! Okay, also food in some
cases. But
- Could also open up things like autopsies for crime investigation.
- Plagues might be avoided by freezing areas where they develop. Or by generally advancing medicine.
Maybe the general impact is not that high because people already knew how to preserve many foods, of course now you can keep the strawberries without turning them into jam but that might not be worth paying a wizard. Depending on how rare they are.
answered 5 hours ago
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$begingroup$
You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
$endgroup$
– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
4 hours ago
1
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
3 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
$endgroup$
– Liam Morris
3 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
$begingroup$
You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
$endgroup$
– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
$endgroup$
– Pelinore
4 hours ago
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@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
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– Pelinore
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
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– Pelinore
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
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– Liam Morris
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You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
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– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
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You could also save ice from winter for ice cubes.
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– Klaus Æ. Mogensen
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
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– Pelinore
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Will mages stoop to providing this service to the masses / can they get more money doing something else ~ this service might be too expensive for all but the richest, which means most of your ideas wouldn't happen.
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– Pelinore
4 hours ago
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@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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@genesis : "Depends on the rest of the world" Yup, I sort of played around with this very same idea for D&D 1st edition many years ago with mages using Ice Wall (4th level spell) to fill ice houses & selling crushed ice from them in summer, their prices were far beyond most of the peasants.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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^ accept for maybe the occasional small cup of crushed ice with fruit juice drizzled over it as a (very) special treat, the price for that was more than a days wages for the average peasant or common laborer in my world.
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– Pelinore
3 hours ago
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
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– Liam Morris
3 hours ago
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@genesis As i mentioned to Pelinore earlier, most mages are of equivalent social status as a skilled worker, such as a blacksmith, if that affects your answer at all.
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This is going to vary based on several factors - for example, how long do your enchanted cold-spaces last? Is this something that a Mage can cast on your Larder once per year, and you use it as a fridge for the next 12 months? Or, does it need to be renewed weekly?
In the former case, you would probably see "travelling Mages" moving from village to village throughout the year, spending a week or so renewing enchantments (private for the well-to-do, or communal spaces for poorer families to share) much like a merchant. In the latter case, nobles (or merchants and farming cooperatives) might keep a couple of mages on staff to ensure their perishables don't, well, perish.
Food storage and preservation is going to be the first big boon - 'fresh' milk, fruit or vegetables for more of the year, instead of cheeses, jams and chutneys. Meat could be kept for longer without salting, smoking or pickling. Both of these will improve the nutritional value of the food (or, rather, remove the requirement to reduce it for storage) and lead to people being healthier
Nobles might also start experimenting with frozen foods and deserts to show off their wealth - assuming that cryomancy was not too cheap or common.
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This is going to vary based on several factors - for example, how long do your enchanted cold-spaces last? Is this something that a Mage can cast on your Larder once per year, and you use it as a fridge for the next 12 months? Or, does it need to be renewed weekly?
In the former case, you would probably see "travelling Mages" moving from village to village throughout the year, spending a week or so renewing enchantments (private for the well-to-do, or communal spaces for poorer families to share) much like a merchant. In the latter case, nobles (or merchants and farming cooperatives) might keep a couple of mages on staff to ensure their perishables don't, well, perish.
Food storage and preservation is going to be the first big boon - 'fresh' milk, fruit or vegetables for more of the year, instead of cheeses, jams and chutneys. Meat could be kept for longer without salting, smoking or pickling. Both of these will improve the nutritional value of the food (or, rather, remove the requirement to reduce it for storage) and lead to people being healthier
Nobles might also start experimenting with frozen foods and deserts to show off their wealth - assuming that cryomancy was not too cheap or common.
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This is going to vary based on several factors - for example, how long do your enchanted cold-spaces last? Is this something that a Mage can cast on your Larder once per year, and you use it as a fridge for the next 12 months? Or, does it need to be renewed weekly?
In the former case, you would probably see "travelling Mages" moving from village to village throughout the year, spending a week or so renewing enchantments (private for the well-to-do, or communal spaces for poorer families to share) much like a merchant. In the latter case, nobles (or merchants and farming cooperatives) might keep a couple of mages on staff to ensure their perishables don't, well, perish.
Food storage and preservation is going to be the first big boon - 'fresh' milk, fruit or vegetables for more of the year, instead of cheeses, jams and chutneys. Meat could be kept for longer without salting, smoking or pickling. Both of these will improve the nutritional value of the food (or, rather, remove the requirement to reduce it for storage) and lead to people being healthier
Nobles might also start experimenting with frozen foods and deserts to show off their wealth - assuming that cryomancy was not too cheap or common.
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This is going to vary based on several factors - for example, how long do your enchanted cold-spaces last? Is this something that a Mage can cast on your Larder once per year, and you use it as a fridge for the next 12 months? Or, does it need to be renewed weekly?
In the former case, you would probably see "travelling Mages" moving from village to village throughout the year, spending a week or so renewing enchantments (private for the well-to-do, or communal spaces for poorer families to share) much like a merchant. In the latter case, nobles (or merchants and farming cooperatives) might keep a couple of mages on staff to ensure their perishables don't, well, perish.
Food storage and preservation is going to be the first big boon - 'fresh' milk, fruit or vegetables for more of the year, instead of cheeses, jams and chutneys. Meat could be kept for longer without salting, smoking or pickling. Both of these will improve the nutritional value of the food (or, rather, remove the requirement to reduce it for storage) and lead to people being healthier
Nobles might also start experimenting with frozen foods and deserts to show off their wealth - assuming that cryomancy was not too cheap or common.
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Related, though not a dupe: Value of ice during the Renaissance.
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– Renan
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^ JBH isn't god & his opinion isn't the last word of authority on every subject ~ that said he does usually have good instincts & I agree with him on this ~ @Nicolai : how cold the stuff you use (to reduce something else's temperature to 0 & below) is doesn't matter, it's about how fast it freezes things.
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1 hour ago
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@Pelinore The speed of freezing is definitely more important (since it determines if and how ice crystals can form, which easily harm tissues [this is why frozen fruit have less texture]), but absolute temperature (especially with that large differences) also changes lots of things - at -1° a lot of biological materials will likely not freeze completely (it's much more than just water after all).
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– Nicolai
1 hour ago
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Forget about food preservation. Mage cools down an area and gains energy, mage spends energy by heating some other area (magically or just by pedaling real hard), connect the two areas with a Stirling engine. Bam, free energy.
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– John Dvorak
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@Pelinore Wait... I'm not?... :-) I was the only person offering advice and help to Liam in the Sandbox. It would be nice to have help....
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