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My doubt arises due to the following :



We know that the definition of the derivative of a function at a point $x=a$, if it is differentiable at $a$ , is:
$$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h$$



Suppose that the function $f(x)$ is differentiable in a finite interval $[c,d]$ and $a in (c,d) $



So, we can apply L'Hospital's rule. On differentiating numerator and denominator with respect to $h$, we get:
$$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f'(a+h)1$$
Which implies that
$$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 f'(a+h)$$
Which means that the function $f'(x)$ is continuous at $x=a$



But this not necessarily true. A function may have a derivative everywhere but it's derivative may not be continuous at some point. One of many counter examples is:
$$f(x) = begincases 0 text ; if x=0 \ x^2 sin frac1x text; if x $neq$ 0 endcases$$
Whose derivative isn't continuous at $0$



So, is something wrong with what I have done ? Or is it necessary that for applying L'Hospital's rule, the function's derivative must be a continuous function?



If the latter is true, why does that condition appear in the proof for L'Hospital's rule ?










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    My doubt arises due to the following :



    We know that the definition of the derivative of a function at a point $x=a$, if it is differentiable at $a$ , is:
    $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h$$



    Suppose that the function $f(x)$ is differentiable in a finite interval $[c,d]$ and $a in (c,d) $



    So, we can apply L'Hospital's rule. On differentiating numerator and denominator with respect to $h$, we get:
    $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f'(a+h)1$$
    Which implies that
    $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 f'(a+h)$$
    Which means that the function $f'(x)$ is continuous at $x=a$



    But this not necessarily true. A function may have a derivative everywhere but it's derivative may not be continuous at some point. One of many counter examples is:
    $$f(x) = begincases 0 text ; if x=0 \ x^2 sin frac1x text; if x $neq$ 0 endcases$$
    Whose derivative isn't continuous at $0$



    So, is something wrong with what I have done ? Or is it necessary that for applying L'Hospital's rule, the function's derivative must be a continuous function?



    If the latter is true, why does that condition appear in the proof for L'Hospital's rule ?










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      My doubt arises due to the following :



      We know that the definition of the derivative of a function at a point $x=a$, if it is differentiable at $a$ , is:
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h$$



      Suppose that the function $f(x)$ is differentiable in a finite interval $[c,d]$ and $a in (c,d) $



      So, we can apply L'Hospital's rule. On differentiating numerator and denominator with respect to $h$, we get:
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f'(a+h)1$$
      Which implies that
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 f'(a+h)$$
      Which means that the function $f'(x)$ is continuous at $x=a$



      But this not necessarily true. A function may have a derivative everywhere but it's derivative may not be continuous at some point. One of many counter examples is:
      $$f(x) = begincases 0 text ; if x=0 \ x^2 sin frac1x text; if x $neq$ 0 endcases$$
      Whose derivative isn't continuous at $0$



      So, is something wrong with what I have done ? Or is it necessary that for applying L'Hospital's rule, the function's derivative must be a continuous function?



      If the latter is true, why does that condition appear in the proof for L'Hospital's rule ?










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      My doubt arises due to the following :



      We know that the definition of the derivative of a function at a point $x=a$, if it is differentiable at $a$ , is:
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h$$



      Suppose that the function $f(x)$ is differentiable in a finite interval $[c,d]$ and $a in (c,d) $



      So, we can apply L'Hospital's rule. On differentiating numerator and denominator with respect to $h$, we get:
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f(a+h) - f(a)h = lim_h rightarrow 0 frac f'(a+h)1$$
      Which implies that
      $$f'(a) = lim_h rightarrow 0 f'(a+h)$$
      Which means that the function $f'(x)$ is continuous at $x=a$



      But this not necessarily true. A function may have a derivative everywhere but it's derivative may not be continuous at some point. One of many counter examples is:
      $$f(x) = begincases 0 text ; if x=0 \ x^2 sin frac1x text; if x $neq$ 0 endcases$$
      Whose derivative isn't continuous at $0$



      So, is something wrong with what I have done ? Or is it necessary that for applying L'Hospital's rule, the function's derivative must be a continuous function?



      If the latter is true, why does that condition appear in the proof for L'Hospital's rule ?







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          L'Hospital's rule says under certain conditions: IF $lim_hto 0 fracf'(h)g'(h)=c$ exists, then also $lim_hto 0 fracf(h)g(h)=c$. It does not say anything about the existence of the former limit.






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            @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
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            Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
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          In this case - yes, you need derivative to be continuous. In general, you need $lim fracf'(x)g'(x)$ to exist to apply L'Hospital's rule. As in your case $g'(x) = 1$, you proved that if there is a limit of $f'(a + h)$, then the limit is equal to $f'(a)$.






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            L'Hospital's rule says under certain conditions: IF $lim_hto 0 fracf'(h)g'(h)=c$ exists, then also $lim_hto 0 fracf(h)g(h)=c$. It does not say anything about the existence of the former limit.






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              @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
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              Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
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            $begingroup$

            L'Hospital's rule says under certain conditions: IF $lim_hto 0 fracf'(h)g'(h)=c$ exists, then also $lim_hto 0 fracf(h)g(h)=c$. It does not say anything about the existence of the former limit.






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              @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
              $endgroup$
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            • $begingroup$
              Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
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            L'Hospital's rule says under certain conditions: IF $lim_hto 0 fracf'(h)g'(h)=c$ exists, then also $lim_hto 0 fracf(h)g(h)=c$. It does not say anything about the existence of the former limit.






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            L'Hospital's rule says under certain conditions: IF $lim_hto 0 fracf'(h)g'(h)=c$ exists, then also $lim_hto 0 fracf(h)g(h)=c$. It does not say anything about the existence of the former limit.







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            • $begingroup$
              @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
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              – user647486
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            • $begingroup$
              Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
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            • $begingroup$
              @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
              $endgroup$
              – user647486
              1 hour ago











            • $begingroup$
              Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
              $endgroup$
              – Ingix
              40 mins ago















            $begingroup$
            @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
            $endgroup$
            – user647486
            1 hour ago





            $begingroup$
            @Dhvanit when $lim_hto0fracf'(h)g'(h)$ is one of $pminfty$, which some people classify as not existing, the implication also holds.
            $endgroup$
            – user647486
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            $begingroup$
            Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
            $endgroup$
            – Ingix
            40 mins ago




            $begingroup$
            Basically, the condition mentioned in this answer means that applying L'Hospital's rule assumes that $lim_hto 0f'(a+h)$ exists. And if it exists, it can be shown that it must be $f'(a)$ (because derivatives need not be continuous, but still must fulfill the intermdiate value condition).
            $endgroup$
            – Ingix
            40 mins ago











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            In this case - yes, you need derivative to be continuous. In general, you need $lim fracf'(x)g'(x)$ to exist to apply L'Hospital's rule. As in your case $g'(x) = 1$, you proved that if there is a limit of $f'(a + h)$, then the limit is equal to $f'(a)$.






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              In this case - yes, you need derivative to be continuous. In general, you need $lim fracf'(x)g'(x)$ to exist to apply L'Hospital's rule. As in your case $g'(x) = 1$, you proved that if there is a limit of $f'(a + h)$, then the limit is equal to $f'(a)$.






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                In this case - yes, you need derivative to be continuous. In general, you need $lim fracf'(x)g'(x)$ to exist to apply L'Hospital's rule. As in your case $g'(x) = 1$, you proved that if there is a limit of $f'(a + h)$, then the limit is equal to $f'(a)$.






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