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A sequence that has integer values for prime indexes only:
Generalized Fibonacci Sequence QuestionSomos 3 sequences explanationProving a Pellian connection in the divisibility condition $(a^2+b^2+1) mid 2(2ab+1)$Limit of a sequence of averages (three variables)Does the A001921 linear recurrent integer sequence always yield composite numbers?A man died. Let's divide the estate!!! How?If $x_n_n=1^infty$ is a basis for $X$ is $x_1cupx_n-x_n-1_n=2^infty$ also a basis for $X$?Is $tau(2^n-1)$ always divides $phi(2^n-1)$ for every integer $n geq 1$?How to evaluate series based on recurrence equationConstruct $(y_n)$ such that $x_n leq y_n leq 2y_f(n)$ where $f:mathbbN_geq 0 to mathbbN_geq 1$ is strictly increasing
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My son gave me the following recurrence formula for $x_n$ ($nge2$):
$$(n+1)(n-2)x_n+1=n(n^2-n-1)x_n-(n-1)^3x_n-1tag1$$
$$x_2=x_3=1$$
The task I got from him:
- The sequence has an interesting property, find it out.
- Make a conjecture and prove it.
Obviously I had to start with a few values and calculating them by hand turned out to be difficult. So I used Mathematica and defined the sequence as follows:
b[n_] := b[n] = n (n^2 - n - 1) a[n] - (n - 1)^3 a[n - 1];
a[n_] := a[n] = b[n - 1]/(n (n - 3));
a[2] = 1;
a[3] = 1;
And I got the following results:
$$ a_4=frac74, a_5=5, a_6=frac1216, a_7=103, a_8=frac50418, a_9=frac403219, \ a_10=frac36288110, a_11=329891, a_12=frac3991680112, a_13=36846277, a_14=frac622702080114dots$$
Numbers don't make any sense but it's strange that the sequence produces integer values from time to time. It's not something that I expected from a pretty complex definition like (1).
So I decided to find the values of $n$ producing integer values of $a_n$. I did an experiment for $2le n le 100$:
table = Table[i, a[i], i, 2, 100];
integers = Select[table, (IntegerQ[#[[2]]]) &];
itegerIndexes = Map[#[[1]] &, integers]
...and the output was:
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53,
59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97
Conjecture (pretty amazing, at least to me):
$a_n$ is integer iff $n$ is prime.
Interesting primality test, isn't it? The trick is to prove that it's correct. I have started with substitution:
$$y_n=n x_n$$
...which simplifies (1) a bit:
$$(n-2)y_n+1=(n^2-n-1)y_n-(n-1)^2y_n-1$$
...but I did not get much further (the next step, I guess, should be rearrangement).
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory
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My son gave me the following recurrence formula for $x_n$ ($nge2$):
$$(n+1)(n-2)x_n+1=n(n^2-n-1)x_n-(n-1)^3x_n-1tag1$$
$$x_2=x_3=1$$
The task I got from him:
- The sequence has an interesting property, find it out.
- Make a conjecture and prove it.
Obviously I had to start with a few values and calculating them by hand turned out to be difficult. So I used Mathematica and defined the sequence as follows:
b[n_] := b[n] = n (n^2 - n - 1) a[n] - (n - 1)^3 a[n - 1];
a[n_] := a[n] = b[n - 1]/(n (n - 3));
a[2] = 1;
a[3] = 1;
And I got the following results:
$$ a_4=frac74, a_5=5, a_6=frac1216, a_7=103, a_8=frac50418, a_9=frac403219, \ a_10=frac36288110, a_11=329891, a_12=frac3991680112, a_13=36846277, a_14=frac622702080114dots$$
Numbers don't make any sense but it's strange that the sequence produces integer values from time to time. It's not something that I expected from a pretty complex definition like (1).
So I decided to find the values of $n$ producing integer values of $a_n$. I did an experiment for $2le n le 100$:
table = Table[i, a[i], i, 2, 100];
integers = Select[table, (IntegerQ[#[[2]]]) &];
itegerIndexes = Map[#[[1]] &, integers]
...and the output was:
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53,
59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97
Conjecture (pretty amazing, at least to me):
$a_n$ is integer iff $n$ is prime.
Interesting primality test, isn't it? The trick is to prove that it's correct. I have started with substitution:
$$y_n=n x_n$$
...which simplifies (1) a bit:
$$(n-2)y_n+1=(n^2-n-1)y_n-(n-1)^2y_n-1$$
...but I did not get much further (the next step, I guess, should be rearrangement).
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory
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The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
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– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
1
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If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeleda
throughz
) is greater than zero, thenk
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.
$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago
add a comment |
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My son gave me the following recurrence formula for $x_n$ ($nge2$):
$$(n+1)(n-2)x_n+1=n(n^2-n-1)x_n-(n-1)^3x_n-1tag1$$
$$x_2=x_3=1$$
The task I got from him:
- The sequence has an interesting property, find it out.
- Make a conjecture and prove it.
Obviously I had to start with a few values and calculating them by hand turned out to be difficult. So I used Mathematica and defined the sequence as follows:
b[n_] := b[n] = n (n^2 - n - 1) a[n] - (n - 1)^3 a[n - 1];
a[n_] := a[n] = b[n - 1]/(n (n - 3));
a[2] = 1;
a[3] = 1;
And I got the following results:
$$ a_4=frac74, a_5=5, a_6=frac1216, a_7=103, a_8=frac50418, a_9=frac403219, \ a_10=frac36288110, a_11=329891, a_12=frac3991680112, a_13=36846277, a_14=frac622702080114dots$$
Numbers don't make any sense but it's strange that the sequence produces integer values from time to time. It's not something that I expected from a pretty complex definition like (1).
So I decided to find the values of $n$ producing integer values of $a_n$. I did an experiment for $2le n le 100$:
table = Table[i, a[i], i, 2, 100];
integers = Select[table, (IntegerQ[#[[2]]]) &];
itegerIndexes = Map[#[[1]] &, integers]
...and the output was:
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53,
59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97
Conjecture (pretty amazing, at least to me):
$a_n$ is integer iff $n$ is prime.
Interesting primality test, isn't it? The trick is to prove that it's correct. I have started with substitution:
$$y_n=n x_n$$
...which simplifies (1) a bit:
$$(n-2)y_n+1=(n^2-n-1)y_n-(n-1)^2y_n-1$$
...but I did not get much further (the next step, I guess, should be rearrangement).
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory
$endgroup$
My son gave me the following recurrence formula for $x_n$ ($nge2$):
$$(n+1)(n-2)x_n+1=n(n^2-n-1)x_n-(n-1)^3x_n-1tag1$$
$$x_2=x_3=1$$
The task I got from him:
- The sequence has an interesting property, find it out.
- Make a conjecture and prove it.
Obviously I had to start with a few values and calculating them by hand turned out to be difficult. So I used Mathematica and defined the sequence as follows:
b[n_] := b[n] = n (n^2 - n - 1) a[n] - (n - 1)^3 a[n - 1];
a[n_] := a[n] = b[n - 1]/(n (n - 3));
a[2] = 1;
a[3] = 1;
And I got the following results:
$$ a_4=frac74, a_5=5, a_6=frac1216, a_7=103, a_8=frac50418, a_9=frac403219, \ a_10=frac36288110, a_11=329891, a_12=frac3991680112, a_13=36846277, a_14=frac622702080114dots$$
Numbers don't make any sense but it's strange that the sequence produces integer values from time to time. It's not something that I expected from a pretty complex definition like (1).
So I decided to find the values of $n$ producing integer values of $a_n$. I did an experiment for $2le n le 100$:
table = Table[i, a[i], i, 2, 100];
integers = Select[table, (IntegerQ[#[[2]]]) &];
itegerIndexes = Map[#[[1]] &, integers]
...and the output was:
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53,
59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97
Conjecture (pretty amazing, at least to me):
$a_n$ is integer iff $n$ is prime.
Interesting primality test, isn't it? The trick is to prove that it's correct. I have started with substitution:
$$y_n=n x_n$$
...which simplifies (1) a bit:
$$(n-2)y_n+1=(n^2-n-1)y_n-(n-1)^2y_n-1$$
...but I did not get much further (the next step, I guess, should be rearrangement).
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory
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asked 10 hours ago
OldboyOldboy
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The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
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– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeleda
throughz
) is greater than zero, thenk
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.
$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeleda
throughz
) is greater than zero, thenk
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.
$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
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The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeled
a
through z
) is greater than zero, then k
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeled
a
through z
) is greater than zero, then k
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago
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The given difference equation can be solved in the following way. We have for $nge 3$,
$$
(n-2)(y_n+1-y_n) = (n-1)^2(y_n-y_n-1),\
fracy_n+1-y_nn-1=(n-1)fracy_n-y_n-1n-2.
$$ If we let $displaystyle z_n=fracy_n-y_n-1n-2$, it follows that
$$
z_n+1=(n-1)z_n=(n-1)(n-2)z_n-1=cdots =(n-1)!z_3=(n-1)!frac3x_3-2x_21=(n-1)!
$$ This gives
$$
y_n+1-y_n=(n-1)(n-1)!=n!-(n-1)!,
$$ hence $y_n = nx_n = (n-1)!+c$ for some $c$. Plugging $n=2$ yields $2=1!+c$, thus we have that $$displaystyle x_n =frac(n-1)!+1n.$$
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The $n^rmth$ term of the sequence is $dfrac(n-1)! + 1n$, which is an integer if and only if $n$ is prime (according to Wilson's Theorem).
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
9 hours ago
2
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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5 hours ago
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The given difference equation can be solved in the following way. We have for $nge 3$,
$$
(n-2)(y_n+1-y_n) = (n-1)^2(y_n-y_n-1),\
fracy_n+1-y_nn-1=(n-1)fracy_n-y_n-1n-2.
$$ If we let $displaystyle z_n=fracy_n-y_n-1n-2$, it follows that
$$
z_n+1=(n-1)z_n=(n-1)(n-2)z_n-1=cdots =(n-1)!z_3=(n-1)!frac3x_3-2x_21=(n-1)!
$$ This gives
$$
y_n+1-y_n=(n-1)(n-1)!=n!-(n-1)!,
$$ hence $y_n = nx_n = (n-1)!+c$ for some $c$. Plugging $n=2$ yields $2=1!+c$, thus we have that $$displaystyle x_n =frac(n-1)!+1n.$$
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The given difference equation can be solved in the following way. We have for $nge 3$,
$$
(n-2)(y_n+1-y_n) = (n-1)^2(y_n-y_n-1),\
fracy_n+1-y_nn-1=(n-1)fracy_n-y_n-1n-2.
$$ If we let $displaystyle z_n=fracy_n-y_n-1n-2$, it follows that
$$
z_n+1=(n-1)z_n=(n-1)(n-2)z_n-1=cdots =(n-1)!z_3=(n-1)!frac3x_3-2x_21=(n-1)!
$$ This gives
$$
y_n+1-y_n=(n-1)(n-1)!=n!-(n-1)!,
$$ hence $y_n = nx_n = (n-1)!+c$ for some $c$. Plugging $n=2$ yields $2=1!+c$, thus we have that $$displaystyle x_n =frac(n-1)!+1n.$$
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The given difference equation can be solved in the following way. We have for $nge 3$,
$$
(n-2)(y_n+1-y_n) = (n-1)^2(y_n-y_n-1),\
fracy_n+1-y_nn-1=(n-1)fracy_n-y_n-1n-2.
$$ If we let $displaystyle z_n=fracy_n-y_n-1n-2$, it follows that
$$
z_n+1=(n-1)z_n=(n-1)(n-2)z_n-1=cdots =(n-1)!z_3=(n-1)!frac3x_3-2x_21=(n-1)!
$$ This gives
$$
y_n+1-y_n=(n-1)(n-1)!=n!-(n-1)!,
$$ hence $y_n = nx_n = (n-1)!+c$ for some $c$. Plugging $n=2$ yields $2=1!+c$, thus we have that $$displaystyle x_n =frac(n-1)!+1n.$$
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The given difference equation can be solved in the following way. We have for $nge 3$,
$$
(n-2)(y_n+1-y_n) = (n-1)^2(y_n-y_n-1),\
fracy_n+1-y_nn-1=(n-1)fracy_n-y_n-1n-2.
$$ If we let $displaystyle z_n=fracy_n-y_n-1n-2$, it follows that
$$
z_n+1=(n-1)z_n=(n-1)(n-2)z_n-1=cdots =(n-1)!z_3=(n-1)!frac3x_3-2x_21=(n-1)!
$$ This gives
$$
y_n+1-y_n=(n-1)(n-1)!=n!-(n-1)!,
$$ hence $y_n = nx_n = (n-1)!+c$ for some $c$. Plugging $n=2$ yields $2=1!+c$, thus we have that $$displaystyle x_n =frac(n-1)!+1n.$$
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The $n^rmth$ term of the sequence is $dfrac(n-1)! + 1n$, which is an integer if and only if $n$ is prime (according to Wilson's Theorem).
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
9 hours ago
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
5 hours ago
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The $n^rmth$ term of the sequence is $dfrac(n-1)! + 1n$, which is an integer if and only if $n$ is prime (according to Wilson's Theorem).
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2
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
9 hours ago
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
5 hours ago
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The $n^rmth$ term of the sequence is $dfrac(n-1)! + 1n$, which is an integer if and only if $n$ is prime (according to Wilson's Theorem).
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The $n^rmth$ term of the sequence is $dfrac(n-1)! + 1n$, which is an integer if and only if $n$ is prime (according to Wilson's Theorem).
answered 10 hours ago
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
9 hours ago
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
5 hours ago
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
5 hours ago
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
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Yes, but it is not obvious. Can you prove it?
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– Oldboy
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I can and I did. The algebra is tedious but not difficult.
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– FredH
9 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
5 hours ago
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I have upvoted your answer but I accepted the one with the whole solution. :)
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– Oldboy
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$begingroup$
The fact that this sequence starts with the first prime index looks like a huge hint, seeing as mathematicians would start with n= 1 and software devs with n = 0 :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
9 hours ago
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$begingroup$
If you're interested in returning the favor to your son, there are Diophantine Equations which enumerate all primes. The result is an inequality such that, if this polynomial function (whose inputs are 26 whole numbers labeled
a
throughz
) is greater than zero, thenk
, the 11th argument to the function, is prime, and every prime on the entire numberline is enumerated this way.$endgroup$
– Cort Ammon
9 hours ago