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How should I respond when I lied about my education and the company finds out through background check?
Job offer contingent on background check: when to give notice?How to follow-up without being bothersome?3 interviews..job offer..clear background check…and no call?How to show unfinished Grad program in resume and explain it in interview, since I am ashamed of talking about it?How do I inquire about a missing email just after I got the job?When to contact recruiter about written offer?Moving on for on the job training or Staying and training through educationI did an internship 6 years ago in Beijing, but due to timezone difference a Background Check company refuses to call them. How do I ask for “Proof”?How to respond to a “How's it going” from a potential employer?Lied on resume & app but told truth in the interview & background check
I lied about my education to my employer and background check revealed I did not graduate. How do I respond to my employer after they send me the following?
In order for us to move forward and complete the background check investigation, we need to understand the reason for the discrepancy and know about your highest level of education completed.
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I lied about my education to my employer and background check revealed I did not graduate. How do I respond to my employer after they send me the following?
In order for us to move forward and complete the background check investigation, we need to understand the reason for the discrepancy and know about your highest level of education completed.
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You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
7
Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
3
Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
4
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
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@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago
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You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
7
Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
3
Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
4
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
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@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago
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You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
7
Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
3
Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
4
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
2
@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago
29
29
You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
7
7
Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
3
3
Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
4
4
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
2
2
@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago
@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago
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Side note: they are very professional.
You should own up the the lie, apoligise, be honest about the reasons why you lied, indicate that you are committed to learn from the experience, ask for a second chance to prove your trustworthiness, and thank them for giving you an opportunity to explain yourself.
Then you should indicate what your actual highest level of education is, and don't lie this time.
Your chances are very slim. Hopefully you can rationalise why you were dishonest with them in a way that they are willing to accept. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
50
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
27
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
7
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
11
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
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I would say that you take it as a life lesson, and be more scrupulous about preserving your integrity in the future. I would also say it's safe to assume that you've blown your chances of getting this job.
Honest people aren't people who are never dishonest, they are people who regret their moments of dishonesty, and are not dishonest in quite the same way again. By admitting that you haven't been entirely truthful, you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one.
Now, you'll need to ask yourself why, and you probably ought to spend some time soul-searching before you try to explain it to the employer. (Things like being scared of not being able to find a job come to mind.) When you do attempt to explain yourself to the employer, you might start by saying that you recognize that you have blown your chances of getting hired, but that you wanted to speak on a personal level. Then pretty much bare your soul, in 100 words or fewer. (Not to try to get the job back, but to get it out of your system.) Then apologize and leave it at that. (You could thank them for the life lesson, too, if you can be sincere about it.)
Finally, you can be glad that you got caught now, instead of two or three years in. If you are an honest man, it would have eaten at you, and you would feel relieved when it finally came out in spite of the fallout. If you aren't an honest man, you'd probably find that you were unable to talk your way out of it, assuming you hadn't been fired already for some other lapse of integrity.
So, man up, face the consequences, forgive yourself (even if other people don't), do your best to put it right, and don't do it again.
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If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
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@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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How close are you to graduating?
If You're Not Close
If you're not close, the other answers are spot on. Please read them and come clean.
If You Are Close
If you are close, contact your school. Find out everything you need to graduate. It may not just be credits, there are often money issues that can prevent you from showing as graduated, too. Get the full list.
Now, respond to your employer along the lines of "I contacted my school, and it turns out you're right, I'm not showing as graduated to them. I spoke with a counselor and received the full list of what I need to show as graduated, and will be remedying the situation as soon as possible. I hope that this will not impede my ability to work here, as I am very excited to be here, etc etc."
It shows you admit that there's a problem, and that you're taking the initiative to remedy the problem. If they keep you on (and yes, that's still very much a big if), make sure you do take those steps, though.
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Be as honest as possible. If you were on track to graduate but fumbled at last minute that is understandable. But otherwise very hard to save this, if there was a less positive explanation.
Keep whatever you say simple and truthful.
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I'm confused as to why there is a background check after you are employed rather than before. I'd also need to know how long you have been employed. That makes a big difference. Also, is this a highly skilled position? And does your intended degree really matter?
If the job is software engineering and your degree was art history, then having the degree is largely irrelevant, and you could come right out and say that. A sales job is another job where your choice of degree is often not meaningful. So, it's still a lie, but it's not a grievous one. You can probably talk your way out of it.
If the job is software engineering, then you are lucky, because that is a field where being self-taught is not usually a liability, and plenty of people never finished their degrees. Famously, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, and lots of others who are lesser known. But you need some credibility. You need some kind of proof that a degree would make no difference to your performance, and that's where it would be nice if you had already worked there a year or more. If this is the case, then you can probably talk your way out of it.
If this is a job that you just started, and you have established no credibility or meaningful performance, then I the only reasonable option is to fall on your sword and offer your resignation. It's not likely they will keep an unknown entity that has been caught in a lie. I wouldn't even try to explain the lie. Note, I didn't say quit. I said offer your resignation. They may accept it (the most likely scenario), but they may not. If they don't accept it immediately, it's because they like you for some reason and they will probably call you in to explain the lie. If you don't have a really, really good explanation, then don't waste their time.
One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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My gut says act shocked too, but that's a horrible idea.
What the company is looking for is a reason that you do in fact have a higher education even though their background check shows that you don't. Something along the lines of, "I missed on class" or something.
Don't lie this time, though it's interesting that they're still talking to you at this point.
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Do you want this job?
Than you need to research every power of persuasion out there.
1. Do not admit to a lie.
2. Take a moral high ground.
"From past experience, companies discriminant against those without a
degree. Either through automated filtering of resumes, or direct
hiring biases. It is unfortunate, but this was required in order to cut through
discrimination to showcase my skills that I can bring to your company,
sans degree...."
Someone with better persuasion and manipulation can likely come up with a phrasing far more powerful that what is presented above. Many will dislike this comment. But apologizing, or whatever is stated above, will not get you the job. good luck!
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Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
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Side note: they are very professional.
You should own up the the lie, apoligise, be honest about the reasons why you lied, indicate that you are committed to learn from the experience, ask for a second chance to prove your trustworthiness, and thank them for giving you an opportunity to explain yourself.
Then you should indicate what your actual highest level of education is, and don't lie this time.
Your chances are very slim. Hopefully you can rationalise why you were dishonest with them in a way that they are willing to accept. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
50
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
27
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
7
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
11
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
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Side note: they are very professional.
You should own up the the lie, apoligise, be honest about the reasons why you lied, indicate that you are committed to learn from the experience, ask for a second chance to prove your trustworthiness, and thank them for giving you an opportunity to explain yourself.
Then you should indicate what your actual highest level of education is, and don't lie this time.
Your chances are very slim. Hopefully you can rationalise why you were dishonest with them in a way that they are willing to accept. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
50
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
27
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
7
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
11
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
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Side note: they are very professional.
You should own up the the lie, apoligise, be honest about the reasons why you lied, indicate that you are committed to learn from the experience, ask for a second chance to prove your trustworthiness, and thank them for giving you an opportunity to explain yourself.
Then you should indicate what your actual highest level of education is, and don't lie this time.
Your chances are very slim. Hopefully you can rationalise why you were dishonest with them in a way that they are willing to accept. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Side note: they are very professional.
You should own up the the lie, apoligise, be honest about the reasons why you lied, indicate that you are committed to learn from the experience, ask for a second chance to prove your trustworthiness, and thank them for giving you an opportunity to explain yourself.
Then you should indicate what your actual highest level of education is, and don't lie this time.
Your chances are very slim. Hopefully you can rationalise why you were dishonest with them in a way that they are willing to accept. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
answered 15 hours ago
Gregory CurrieGregory Currie
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Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
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Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
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I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
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@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
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50
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
27
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
7
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
11
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
50
50
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
Emphasis on the don't lie this time
– Arthur Attout
7 hours ago
27
27
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
Also, plus one on the side note. This is definitely a laudable attitude on the part of the employer.
– João Mendes
6 hours ago
7
7
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
I'm surprised they even bothered telling OP about it. I would expect the employer would just drop the candidate and move on.
– Nelson
6 hours ago
6
6
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
2nd emphasis on very slim. People have made very successful careers, only to have it all taken away from them 20 years later due to being caught lying on their resume that they used to get their foot in the door. There's a politician or professor that comes to mind, but the name evades me.
– Travis
5 hours ago
11
11
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
@Nelson They're informing them in case they made a mistake. For example, the applicant could have graduated under one name, but now use another (marriage, legal name change, sex change, etc). Or they could have contacted the wrong school (U of Chicago vs U of Illinois Chicago).
– Gabe Sechan
2 hours ago
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I would say that you take it as a life lesson, and be more scrupulous about preserving your integrity in the future. I would also say it's safe to assume that you've blown your chances of getting this job.
Honest people aren't people who are never dishonest, they are people who regret their moments of dishonesty, and are not dishonest in quite the same way again. By admitting that you haven't been entirely truthful, you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one.
Now, you'll need to ask yourself why, and you probably ought to spend some time soul-searching before you try to explain it to the employer. (Things like being scared of not being able to find a job come to mind.) When you do attempt to explain yourself to the employer, you might start by saying that you recognize that you have blown your chances of getting hired, but that you wanted to speak on a personal level. Then pretty much bare your soul, in 100 words or fewer. (Not to try to get the job back, but to get it out of your system.) Then apologize and leave it at that. (You could thank them for the life lesson, too, if you can be sincere about it.)
Finally, you can be glad that you got caught now, instead of two or three years in. If you are an honest man, it would have eaten at you, and you would feel relieved when it finally came out in spite of the fallout. If you aren't an honest man, you'd probably find that you were unable to talk your way out of it, assuming you hadn't been fired already for some other lapse of integrity.
So, man up, face the consequences, forgive yourself (even if other people don't), do your best to put it right, and don't do it again.
3
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
9
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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I would say that you take it as a life lesson, and be more scrupulous about preserving your integrity in the future. I would also say it's safe to assume that you've blown your chances of getting this job.
Honest people aren't people who are never dishonest, they are people who regret their moments of dishonesty, and are not dishonest in quite the same way again. By admitting that you haven't been entirely truthful, you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one.
Now, you'll need to ask yourself why, and you probably ought to spend some time soul-searching before you try to explain it to the employer. (Things like being scared of not being able to find a job come to mind.) When you do attempt to explain yourself to the employer, you might start by saying that you recognize that you have blown your chances of getting hired, but that you wanted to speak on a personal level. Then pretty much bare your soul, in 100 words or fewer. (Not to try to get the job back, but to get it out of your system.) Then apologize and leave it at that. (You could thank them for the life lesson, too, if you can be sincere about it.)
Finally, you can be glad that you got caught now, instead of two or three years in. If you are an honest man, it would have eaten at you, and you would feel relieved when it finally came out in spite of the fallout. If you aren't an honest man, you'd probably find that you were unable to talk your way out of it, assuming you hadn't been fired already for some other lapse of integrity.
So, man up, face the consequences, forgive yourself (even if other people don't), do your best to put it right, and don't do it again.
3
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
9
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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I would say that you take it as a life lesson, and be more scrupulous about preserving your integrity in the future. I would also say it's safe to assume that you've blown your chances of getting this job.
Honest people aren't people who are never dishonest, they are people who regret their moments of dishonesty, and are not dishonest in quite the same way again. By admitting that you haven't been entirely truthful, you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one.
Now, you'll need to ask yourself why, and you probably ought to spend some time soul-searching before you try to explain it to the employer. (Things like being scared of not being able to find a job come to mind.) When you do attempt to explain yourself to the employer, you might start by saying that you recognize that you have blown your chances of getting hired, but that you wanted to speak on a personal level. Then pretty much bare your soul, in 100 words or fewer. (Not to try to get the job back, but to get it out of your system.) Then apologize and leave it at that. (You could thank them for the life lesson, too, if you can be sincere about it.)
Finally, you can be glad that you got caught now, instead of two or three years in. If you are an honest man, it would have eaten at you, and you would feel relieved when it finally came out in spite of the fallout. If you aren't an honest man, you'd probably find that you were unable to talk your way out of it, assuming you hadn't been fired already for some other lapse of integrity.
So, man up, face the consequences, forgive yourself (even if other people don't), do your best to put it right, and don't do it again.
I would say that you take it as a life lesson, and be more scrupulous about preserving your integrity in the future. I would also say it's safe to assume that you've blown your chances of getting this job.
Honest people aren't people who are never dishonest, they are people who regret their moments of dishonesty, and are not dishonest in quite the same way again. By admitting that you haven't been entirely truthful, you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one.
Now, you'll need to ask yourself why, and you probably ought to spend some time soul-searching before you try to explain it to the employer. (Things like being scared of not being able to find a job come to mind.) When you do attempt to explain yourself to the employer, you might start by saying that you recognize that you have blown your chances of getting hired, but that you wanted to speak on a personal level. Then pretty much bare your soul, in 100 words or fewer. (Not to try to get the job back, but to get it out of your system.) Then apologize and leave it at that. (You could thank them for the life lesson, too, if you can be sincere about it.)
Finally, you can be glad that you got caught now, instead of two or three years in. If you are an honest man, it would have eaten at you, and you would feel relieved when it finally came out in spite of the fallout. If you aren't an honest man, you'd probably find that you were unable to talk your way out of it, assuming you hadn't been fired already for some other lapse of integrity.
So, man up, face the consequences, forgive yourself (even if other people don't), do your best to put it right, and don't do it again.
edited 14 hours ago
answered 14 hours ago
BobRodesBobRodes
1,711712
1,711712
3
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
9
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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3
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
9
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
3
3
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
If OP has blown the chances of getting the job, then what are the benefits of "baring their soul" versus just withdrawing the application?
– Nate Eldredge
5 hours ago
9
9
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
@NateEldredge Well, firstly, we're just assuming he's blown his chances. (I agree it's the most likely outcome, but there's a tiny chance this employer might defy the odds yet.) Being honest keeps that door open, however slim the chances may be. Walking away without explanation definitely closes it. Also, depending on the industry OP is in, word might travel to other employers about this guy who lied on his resume. Taking the time to explain himself (no matter the reasoning) can't possibly make him look worse than ghosting as soon as he gets caught in a lie.
– Steve-O
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
"you've made a step in the direction of being an honest man, and a step away from the direction of being a dishonest one." I get what you mean here but I think it comes off as kind of judgmental of OP. There's an interpretation of this where you're calling them a dishonest man, which wouldn't be fun to read (despite the topic of their post)
– data princess
5 hours ago
4
4
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@dataprincess the first two words of the question are "I lied". Dishonesty isn't an implication here, it's a fact to be dealt with.
– hobbs
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
@NateEldredge, The OP said, "I lied ... to my employer" and "How do I respond to my employer ..." I took this to mean the background check wasn't done before the OP joined the company.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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How close are you to graduating?
If You're Not Close
If you're not close, the other answers are spot on. Please read them and come clean.
If You Are Close
If you are close, contact your school. Find out everything you need to graduate. It may not just be credits, there are often money issues that can prevent you from showing as graduated, too. Get the full list.
Now, respond to your employer along the lines of "I contacted my school, and it turns out you're right, I'm not showing as graduated to them. I spoke with a counselor and received the full list of what I need to show as graduated, and will be remedying the situation as soon as possible. I hope that this will not impede my ability to work here, as I am very excited to be here, etc etc."
It shows you admit that there's a problem, and that you're taking the initiative to remedy the problem. If they keep you on (and yes, that's still very much a big if), make sure you do take those steps, though.
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How close are you to graduating?
If You're Not Close
If you're not close, the other answers are spot on. Please read them and come clean.
If You Are Close
If you are close, contact your school. Find out everything you need to graduate. It may not just be credits, there are often money issues that can prevent you from showing as graduated, too. Get the full list.
Now, respond to your employer along the lines of "I contacted my school, and it turns out you're right, I'm not showing as graduated to them. I spoke with a counselor and received the full list of what I need to show as graduated, and will be remedying the situation as soon as possible. I hope that this will not impede my ability to work here, as I am very excited to be here, etc etc."
It shows you admit that there's a problem, and that you're taking the initiative to remedy the problem. If they keep you on (and yes, that's still very much a big if), make sure you do take those steps, though.
add a comment |
How close are you to graduating?
If You're Not Close
If you're not close, the other answers are spot on. Please read them and come clean.
If You Are Close
If you are close, contact your school. Find out everything you need to graduate. It may not just be credits, there are often money issues that can prevent you from showing as graduated, too. Get the full list.
Now, respond to your employer along the lines of "I contacted my school, and it turns out you're right, I'm not showing as graduated to them. I spoke with a counselor and received the full list of what I need to show as graduated, and will be remedying the situation as soon as possible. I hope that this will not impede my ability to work here, as I am very excited to be here, etc etc."
It shows you admit that there's a problem, and that you're taking the initiative to remedy the problem. If they keep you on (and yes, that's still very much a big if), make sure you do take those steps, though.
How close are you to graduating?
If You're Not Close
If you're not close, the other answers are spot on. Please read them and come clean.
If You Are Close
If you are close, contact your school. Find out everything you need to graduate. It may not just be credits, there are often money issues that can prevent you from showing as graduated, too. Get the full list.
Now, respond to your employer along the lines of "I contacted my school, and it turns out you're right, I'm not showing as graduated to them. I spoke with a counselor and received the full list of what I need to show as graduated, and will be remedying the situation as soon as possible. I hope that this will not impede my ability to work here, as I am very excited to be here, etc etc."
It shows you admit that there's a problem, and that you're taking the initiative to remedy the problem. If they keep you on (and yes, that's still very much a big if), make sure you do take those steps, though.
answered 2 hours ago
Michael W.Michael W.
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Be as honest as possible. If you were on track to graduate but fumbled at last minute that is understandable. But otherwise very hard to save this, if there was a less positive explanation.
Keep whatever you say simple and truthful.
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Be as honest as possible. If you were on track to graduate but fumbled at last minute that is understandable. But otherwise very hard to save this, if there was a less positive explanation.
Keep whatever you say simple and truthful.
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Be as honest as possible. If you were on track to graduate but fumbled at last minute that is understandable. But otherwise very hard to save this, if there was a less positive explanation.
Keep whatever you say simple and truthful.
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Be as honest as possible. If you were on track to graduate but fumbled at last minute that is understandable. But otherwise very hard to save this, if there was a less positive explanation.
Keep whatever you say simple and truthful.
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learning2learnlearning2learn
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I'm confused as to why there is a background check after you are employed rather than before. I'd also need to know how long you have been employed. That makes a big difference. Also, is this a highly skilled position? And does your intended degree really matter?
If the job is software engineering and your degree was art history, then having the degree is largely irrelevant, and you could come right out and say that. A sales job is another job where your choice of degree is often not meaningful. So, it's still a lie, but it's not a grievous one. You can probably talk your way out of it.
If the job is software engineering, then you are lucky, because that is a field where being self-taught is not usually a liability, and plenty of people never finished their degrees. Famously, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, and lots of others who are lesser known. But you need some credibility. You need some kind of proof that a degree would make no difference to your performance, and that's where it would be nice if you had already worked there a year or more. If this is the case, then you can probably talk your way out of it.
If this is a job that you just started, and you have established no credibility or meaningful performance, then I the only reasonable option is to fall on your sword and offer your resignation. It's not likely they will keep an unknown entity that has been caught in a lie. I wouldn't even try to explain the lie. Note, I didn't say quit. I said offer your resignation. They may accept it (the most likely scenario), but they may not. If they don't accept it immediately, it's because they like you for some reason and they will probably call you in to explain the lie. If you don't have a really, really good explanation, then don't waste their time.
One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm confused as to why there is a background check after you are employed rather than before. I'd also need to know how long you have been employed. That makes a big difference. Also, is this a highly skilled position? And does your intended degree really matter?
If the job is software engineering and your degree was art history, then having the degree is largely irrelevant, and you could come right out and say that. A sales job is another job where your choice of degree is often not meaningful. So, it's still a lie, but it's not a grievous one. You can probably talk your way out of it.
If the job is software engineering, then you are lucky, because that is a field where being self-taught is not usually a liability, and plenty of people never finished their degrees. Famously, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, and lots of others who are lesser known. But you need some credibility. You need some kind of proof that a degree would make no difference to your performance, and that's where it would be nice if you had already worked there a year or more. If this is the case, then you can probably talk your way out of it.
If this is a job that you just started, and you have established no credibility or meaningful performance, then I the only reasonable option is to fall on your sword and offer your resignation. It's not likely they will keep an unknown entity that has been caught in a lie. I wouldn't even try to explain the lie. Note, I didn't say quit. I said offer your resignation. They may accept it (the most likely scenario), but they may not. If they don't accept it immediately, it's because they like you for some reason and they will probably call you in to explain the lie. If you don't have a really, really good explanation, then don't waste their time.
One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm confused as to why there is a background check after you are employed rather than before. I'd also need to know how long you have been employed. That makes a big difference. Also, is this a highly skilled position? And does your intended degree really matter?
If the job is software engineering and your degree was art history, then having the degree is largely irrelevant, and you could come right out and say that. A sales job is another job where your choice of degree is often not meaningful. So, it's still a lie, but it's not a grievous one. You can probably talk your way out of it.
If the job is software engineering, then you are lucky, because that is a field where being self-taught is not usually a liability, and plenty of people never finished their degrees. Famously, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, and lots of others who are lesser known. But you need some credibility. You need some kind of proof that a degree would make no difference to your performance, and that's where it would be nice if you had already worked there a year or more. If this is the case, then you can probably talk your way out of it.
If this is a job that you just started, and you have established no credibility or meaningful performance, then I the only reasonable option is to fall on your sword and offer your resignation. It's not likely they will keep an unknown entity that has been caught in a lie. I wouldn't even try to explain the lie. Note, I didn't say quit. I said offer your resignation. They may accept it (the most likely scenario), but they may not. If they don't accept it immediately, it's because they like you for some reason and they will probably call you in to explain the lie. If you don't have a really, really good explanation, then don't waste their time.
I'm confused as to why there is a background check after you are employed rather than before. I'd also need to know how long you have been employed. That makes a big difference. Also, is this a highly skilled position? And does your intended degree really matter?
If the job is software engineering and your degree was art history, then having the degree is largely irrelevant, and you could come right out and say that. A sales job is another job where your choice of degree is often not meaningful. So, it's still a lie, but it's not a grievous one. You can probably talk your way out of it.
If the job is software engineering, then you are lucky, because that is a field where being self-taught is not usually a liability, and plenty of people never finished their degrees. Famously, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, and lots of others who are lesser known. But you need some credibility. You need some kind of proof that a degree would make no difference to your performance, and that's where it would be nice if you had already worked there a year or more. If this is the case, then you can probably talk your way out of it.
If this is a job that you just started, and you have established no credibility or meaningful performance, then I the only reasonable option is to fall on your sword and offer your resignation. It's not likely they will keep an unknown entity that has been caught in a lie. I wouldn't even try to explain the lie. Note, I didn't say quit. I said offer your resignation. They may accept it (the most likely scenario), but they may not. If they don't accept it immediately, it's because they like you for some reason and they will probably call you in to explain the lie. If you don't have a really, really good explanation, then don't waste their time.
answered 4 hours ago
MohairMohair
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One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
One example could be for a government clearance. Most people aren't given a background check for that before they are hired. Another example is that many companies don't do an in-depth background check upon hiring but if something comes to light afterward they will initiate a more thorough check. You see this in the news at least once or twice a year where a high level person comes under scrutiny for some reason and it is discovered that they lied about their education or work history.
– CramerTV
4 hours ago
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My gut says act shocked too, but that's a horrible idea.
What the company is looking for is a reason that you do in fact have a higher education even though their background check shows that you don't. Something along the lines of, "I missed on class" or something.
Don't lie this time, though it's interesting that they're still talking to you at this point.
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My gut says act shocked too, but that's a horrible idea.
What the company is looking for is a reason that you do in fact have a higher education even though their background check shows that you don't. Something along the lines of, "I missed on class" or something.
Don't lie this time, though it's interesting that they're still talking to you at this point.
add a comment |
My gut says act shocked too, but that's a horrible idea.
What the company is looking for is a reason that you do in fact have a higher education even though their background check shows that you don't. Something along the lines of, "I missed on class" or something.
Don't lie this time, though it's interesting that they're still talking to you at this point.
My gut says act shocked too, but that's a horrible idea.
What the company is looking for is a reason that you do in fact have a higher education even though their background check shows that you don't. Something along the lines of, "I missed on class" or something.
Don't lie this time, though it's interesting that they're still talking to you at this point.
answered 6 hours ago
SteveSteve
3,086618
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Do you want this job?
Than you need to research every power of persuasion out there.
1. Do not admit to a lie.
2. Take a moral high ground.
"From past experience, companies discriminant against those without a
degree. Either through automated filtering of resumes, or direct
hiring biases. It is unfortunate, but this was required in order to cut through
discrimination to showcase my skills that I can bring to your company,
sans degree...."
Someone with better persuasion and manipulation can likely come up with a phrasing far more powerful that what is presented above. Many will dislike this comment. But apologizing, or whatever is stated above, will not get you the job. good luck!
16
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Do you want this job?
Than you need to research every power of persuasion out there.
1. Do not admit to a lie.
2. Take a moral high ground.
"From past experience, companies discriminant against those without a
degree. Either through automated filtering of resumes, or direct
hiring biases. It is unfortunate, but this was required in order to cut through
discrimination to showcase my skills that I can bring to your company,
sans degree...."
Someone with better persuasion and manipulation can likely come up with a phrasing far more powerful that what is presented above. Many will dislike this comment. But apologizing, or whatever is stated above, will not get you the job. good luck!
16
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Do you want this job?
Than you need to research every power of persuasion out there.
1. Do not admit to a lie.
2. Take a moral high ground.
"From past experience, companies discriminant against those without a
degree. Either through automated filtering of resumes, or direct
hiring biases. It is unfortunate, but this was required in order to cut through
discrimination to showcase my skills that I can bring to your company,
sans degree...."
Someone with better persuasion and manipulation can likely come up with a phrasing far more powerful that what is presented above. Many will dislike this comment. But apologizing, or whatever is stated above, will not get you the job. good luck!
Do you want this job?
Than you need to research every power of persuasion out there.
1. Do not admit to a lie.
2. Take a moral high ground.
"From past experience, companies discriminant against those without a
degree. Either through automated filtering of resumes, or direct
hiring biases. It is unfortunate, but this was required in order to cut through
discrimination to showcase my skills that I can bring to your company,
sans degree...."
Someone with better persuasion and manipulation can likely come up with a phrasing far more powerful that what is presented above. Many will dislike this comment. But apologizing, or whatever is stated above, will not get you the job. good luck!
answered 5 hours ago
pauljpaulj
72018
72018
16
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
16
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
16
16
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
Um... what? How can somebody who was caught in a lie "take the moral high ground"? Did you mean "attempt to steal the moral high ground"?
– T.J.L.
5 hours ago
6
6
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
That means in addition to lying implicitly accuse the company recruiters of some sort of unfair discrimination. Yes, I'd definitely would want someone in my company that tries to twist the truth by making up accusations and that uses illegal routes to achieve what she/he thinks is right, I wouldn't see any lawsuits coming up in the future from or due to that employee. Btw. the example actually does admit to a lie, just doesn't call it by name or apologize for it.
– Frank Hopkins
4 hours ago
3
3
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
I understand the visceral response that makes people want to downvote this as it comes across as 'when confronted with the lie, go on the offensive' but if the candidate/employee actually has such experience, this would be an honest explanation for why they did it, and probably their best chance. The company/recruiter would not necessarily need to be corrupt or incompetent to accept it as an explanation, frustration/desperation can lead people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. They would however be foolish to accept it without further investigation to verify it is an anomaly.
– Mr.Mindor
4 hours ago
4
4
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
This is terrible advice. There's a reason why job boards and applications usually have the option of attaching a cover letter or portfolio. This is is to help showcase and let the recruiters know what you've done/can do even if you have no formal/accredited degree or professional experience.
– my_mistakes
3 hours ago
4
4
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
@paulj - A good indication that you might need to rethink your approach: you're trying to explain that the right answer is psychologically manipulative persuasiveness... yet you're not able to persuade people that your method is a good idea.
– Kevin
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
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You aren't getting the job. You will be blacklisted from this company, and maybe other companies. 1st advice: Don't do this again. 2nd advice: Come clean and be 100% honest, you have maybe the tiniest chance if you do, but do not expect it.
– Issel
4 hours ago
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Can you please clarify whether this is a job you already have, or a job that you are in the process of applying for?
– Nate Eldredge
4 hours ago
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Two questions: you say "your employer" but this is the sort of thing that happens before they employ you; can you clarify the scenario you're describing? What exactly are they "moving forward" on? Second, you say that you "lied about your education"; can you say a little bit about why you lied? A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead; why did you make this attempt? That will help us advise you about good next steps.
– Eric Lippert
2 hours ago
4
@EricLippert That's usually true, but sometimes background checks may be conducted after someone is already employed. For example, I've known of cases with friends where they had background checks going on months after they started working at a job that required a security clearance, just due to the backlog of background checks that needed to be conducted. They just had to work on unclassified stuff until the security clearance was completed.
– reirab
1 hour ago
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@Pharap It would be a much better question if it made the stage of employment clear (before starting, just started, worked there for 10 years).
– Patricia Shanahan
1 hour ago