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RG-213 Cable with electric strained wire as metallic shield of Coaxial cable

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I'm using RG-213 coaxial cable for two-way ham radio communication. But due to weather conditions, the metallic shield of my coaxial cable (RG-213) become rusty and carbonated.

If I use copper electrical cable 3/.029 as metallic shield with aforesaid (rusty metallic shield ) Coaxial Cable, what will be the result? Will it be the best solution for my damage metallic shield coaxial cable or not? Can i get the best two way communication with this method?

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  Is it possible to cut out the damaged section, put connectors on the ends and join the salvaged cable with a "barrel" connector (e.g., 83-1J)?
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  What is the maximum frequency that this coax will be used for?
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I'm using RG-213 coaxial cable for two-way ham radio communication. But due to weather conditions, the metallic shield of my coaxial cable (RG-213) become rusty and carbonated.

If I use copper electrical cable 3/.029 as metallic shield with aforesaid (rusty metallic shield ) Coaxial Cable, what will be the result? Will it be the best solution for my damage metallic shield coaxial cable or not? Can i get the best two way communication with this method?

coaxial-cable

share|improve this question

edited 5 hours ago

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asked 6 hours ago

ajmal nawaz

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  Is it possible to cut out the damaged section, put connectors on the ends and join the salvaged cable with a "barrel" connector (e.g., 83-1J)?
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  – Brian K1LI
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  What is the maximum frequency that this coax will be used for?
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  – Mike Waters♦
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I'm using RG-213 coaxial cable for two-way ham radio communication. But due to weather conditions, the metallic shield of my coaxial cable (RG-213) become rusty and carbonated.

If I use copper electrical cable 3/.029 as metallic shield with aforesaid (rusty metallic shield ) Coaxial Cable, what will be the result? Will it be the best solution for my damage metallic shield coaxial cable or not? Can i get the best two way communication with this method?

coaxial-cable

share|improve this question

edited 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦

16.6k33171

asked 6 hours ago

ajmal nawaz

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share|improve this question

edited 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦

16.6k33171

asked 6 hours ago

ajmal nawaz

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edited 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦

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You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter if it does not have high-SWR protection.

Weather-damaged coaxial cable should be replaced with new coaxial cable. Be sure to apply suitable sealing tape (self-amalgamating tape) to the end connectors after tightening them down if they will be exposed to moisture.

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The one thing you can do for damaged cable is to cut off the damaged section and install a connector (a proper coaxial connector, not a splice) to join it to a new length. However, this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in.

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  That impedance bump has a minuscule effect below 50 Mhz, as it's only a tiny fraction of the wavelength.
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  @MikeWaters I understood the question as asking about replacing a long length of shield with other wire. We don't know what the length is (I removed "bump" from the answer to improve it), and the question isn't about HF specifically either.
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  Yes, he does not specify the frequency of interest (I just asked that), thus my comment.
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  I get that now. But what is "electric strained wire"? :-)
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  Also, "this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in" is generally very good advice indeed. We've had years of practice and experience doing just that, and with great success. Others -especially newbies- have not.
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  – Mike Waters♦
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If part or all of the shield of your coax is corroded, then that entire portion of the coaxial cable must be discarded.

• The corrosion causes the individual strands of the shield to be isolated from one another, significantly reducing the shielding effect of the braid.




• It also causes noise to be heard in your receiver.

And as Kevin correctly stated in another answer here:

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter ...

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You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter if it does not have high-SWR protection.

Weather-damaged coaxial cable should be replaced with new coaxial cable. Be sure to apply suitable sealing tape (self-amalgamating tape) to the end connectors after tightening them down if they will be exposed to moisture.

---

The one thing you can do for damaged cable is to cut off the damaged section and install a connector (a proper coaxial connector, not a splice) to join it to a new length. However, this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in.

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  That impedance bump has a minuscule effect below 50 Mhz, as it's only a tiny fraction of the wavelength.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @MikeWaters I understood the question as asking about replacing a long length of shield with other wire. We don't know what the length is (I removed "bump" from the answer to improve it), and the question isn't about HF specifically either.
  $endgroup$
  – Kevin Reid AG6YO♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  Yes, he does not specify the frequency of interest (I just asked that), thus my comment.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  I get that now. But what is "electric strained wire"? :-)
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Also, "this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in" is generally very good advice indeed. We've had years of practice and experience doing just that, and with great success. Others -especially newbies- have not.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

2

$begingroup$

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter if it does not have high-SWR protection.

Weather-damaged coaxial cable should be replaced with new coaxial cable. Be sure to apply suitable sealing tape (self-amalgamating tape) to the end connectors after tightening them down if they will be exposed to moisture.

---

The one thing you can do for damaged cable is to cut off the damaged section and install a connector (a proper coaxial connector, not a splice) to join it to a new length. However, this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in.

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  That impedance bump has a minuscule effect below 50 Mhz, as it's only a tiny fraction of the wavelength.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @MikeWaters I understood the question as asking about replacing a long length of shield with other wire. We don't know what the length is (I removed "bump" from the answer to improve it), and the question isn't about HF specifically either.
  $endgroup$
  – Kevin Reid AG6YO♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Yes, he does not specify the frequency of interest (I just asked that), thus my comment.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  I get that now. But what is "electric strained wire"? :-)
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  Also, "this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in" is generally very good advice indeed. We've had years of practice and experience doing just that, and with great success. Others -especially newbies- have not.
  $endgroup$
  – Mike Waters♦
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter if it does not have high-SWR protection.

Weather-damaged coaxial cable should be replaced with new coaxial cable. Be sure to apply suitable sealing tape (self-amalgamating tape) to the end connectors after tightening them down if they will be exposed to moisture.

---

The one thing you can do for damaged cable is to cut off the damaged section and install a connector (a proper coaxial connector, not a splice) to join it to a new length. However, this is not a good idea for outdoor installations since it introduces more places for water to get in.

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

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share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

answered 5 hours ago

Kevin Reid AG6YO♦Kevin Reid AG6YO

16.6k33171

1

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If part or all of the shield of your coax is corroded, then that entire portion of the coaxial cable must be discarded.

• The corrosion causes the individual strands of the shield to be isolated from one another, significantly reducing the shielding effect of the braid.




• It also causes noise to be heard in your receiver.

And as Kevin correctly stated in another answer here:

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter ...

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635

$endgroup$

add a comment | 

1

$begingroup$

If part or all of the shield of your coax is corroded, then that entire portion of the coaxial cable must be discarded.

• The corrosion causes the individual strands of the shield to be isolated from one another, significantly reducing the shielding effect of the braid.




• It also causes noise to be heard in your receiver.

And as Kevin correctly stated in another answer here:

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter ...

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635

$endgroup$

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

If part or all of the shield of your coax is corroded, then that entire portion of the coaxial cable must be discarded.

• The corrosion causes the individual strands of the shield to be isolated from one another, significantly reducing the shielding effect of the braid.




• It also causes noise to be heard in your receiver.

And as Kevin correctly stated in another answer here:

You cannot repair a coaxial cable by wrapping or replacing the outer conductor (shield) with ordinary wire. The shape of the shield is critical to its functioning (determining the characteristic impedance) and the different impedance created by using differently shaped conductors will lead to reduced performance, and possibly damage your transmitter ...

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635

$endgroup$

share|improve this answer

edited 4 hours ago

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635

answered 4 hours ago

Mike Waters♦Mike Waters

3,6332635