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Is VPN a layer 3 concept?
Cisco ASA site-to-site VPN failoverWhat are the reasons for choosing separate or combined VPN and Internet routers?Placement of firewall for VPN RA and L2L tunnelsHow to failover static ipsec vpn tunnels?Routing from IPSec VPN1 to IPSec VPN2 through HQIPsec tunnel configuration questionVPN connecting offices vs hiding only VPNs (privacy) and their settingsHow to configure a distributed network for the replication?Packets are not being de-capsulated on the ASA end of a VPNWhich VPN Types/Protocols inherently support Multicast Traffic?
From Tanenbaum's Computer Network
This demand soon led to the invention of VPNs (Virtual Private Networks),
which are overlay networks on top of public networks but with most of the properties of private networks.
One popular approach is to build VPNs directly over the Internet. A
common design is to equip each office with a firewall and create
tunnels through the Internet between all pairs of offices. ... When
the system is brought up, each pair of firewalls has to negotiate the
parameters of its SA, including the services, modes, algorithms, and
keys. If IPsec is used for the tunneling, it is possible to aggregate
all traffic between any two pairs of offices onto a single
authenticated, encrypted SA, thus providing in- tegrity control,
secrecy, and even considerable immunity to traffic analysis. Many
firewalls have VPN capabilities built in. Some ordinary routers can do
this as well, but since firewalls are primarily in the security
business, it is natural to have the tunnels begin and end at the
firewalls, providing a clear separation between the company and the
Internet. Thus, firewalls, VPNs, and IPsec with ESP in tunnel mode are
a natural combination and widely used in practice. Once the SAs have
been established, traffic can begin flowing. To a router within the
Internet, a packet traveling along a VPN tunnel is just an ordinary
packet. The only thing unusual about it is the presence of the IPsec
header after the IP header, but since these extra headers have no
effect on the forwarding process, the routers do not care about this
extra header.
Another approach that is gaining popularity is to have the ISP set up
the VPN. Using MPLS (as discussed in Chap. 5), paths for the VPN
traffic can be set up across the ISP network between the company
offices. These paths keep the VPN traffic separate from other Internet
traffic and can be guaranteed a certain amount of bandwidth or other
quality of service.
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
Do both approaches in the quote to build VPNs are layer 3
approaches? (Seems to me yes, because the technologies involved to built VPNs seem to be layer 3)Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer
5 approach to build VPNs? How do a openvpn server and client work
together to build a VPN? I can't figure it out based on the two
approaches in the book.Similar questions for SSH VPN to those for openvpn.
Thanks.
vpn
add a comment |
From Tanenbaum's Computer Network
This demand soon led to the invention of VPNs (Virtual Private Networks),
which are overlay networks on top of public networks but with most of the properties of private networks.
One popular approach is to build VPNs directly over the Internet. A
common design is to equip each office with a firewall and create
tunnels through the Internet between all pairs of offices. ... When
the system is brought up, each pair of firewalls has to negotiate the
parameters of its SA, including the services, modes, algorithms, and
keys. If IPsec is used for the tunneling, it is possible to aggregate
all traffic between any two pairs of offices onto a single
authenticated, encrypted SA, thus providing in- tegrity control,
secrecy, and even considerable immunity to traffic analysis. Many
firewalls have VPN capabilities built in. Some ordinary routers can do
this as well, but since firewalls are primarily in the security
business, it is natural to have the tunnels begin and end at the
firewalls, providing a clear separation between the company and the
Internet. Thus, firewalls, VPNs, and IPsec with ESP in tunnel mode are
a natural combination and widely used in practice. Once the SAs have
been established, traffic can begin flowing. To a router within the
Internet, a packet traveling along a VPN tunnel is just an ordinary
packet. The only thing unusual about it is the presence of the IPsec
header after the IP header, but since these extra headers have no
effect on the forwarding process, the routers do not care about this
extra header.
Another approach that is gaining popularity is to have the ISP set up
the VPN. Using MPLS (as discussed in Chap. 5), paths for the VPN
traffic can be set up across the ISP network between the company
offices. These paths keep the VPN traffic separate from other Internet
traffic and can be guaranteed a certain amount of bandwidth or other
quality of service.
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
Do both approaches in the quote to build VPNs are layer 3
approaches? (Seems to me yes, because the technologies involved to built VPNs seem to be layer 3)Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer
5 approach to build VPNs? How do a openvpn server and client work
together to build a VPN? I can't figure it out based on the two
approaches in the book.Similar questions for SSH VPN to those for openvpn.
Thanks.
vpn
add a comment |
From Tanenbaum's Computer Network
This demand soon led to the invention of VPNs (Virtual Private Networks),
which are overlay networks on top of public networks but with most of the properties of private networks.
One popular approach is to build VPNs directly over the Internet. A
common design is to equip each office with a firewall and create
tunnels through the Internet between all pairs of offices. ... When
the system is brought up, each pair of firewalls has to negotiate the
parameters of its SA, including the services, modes, algorithms, and
keys. If IPsec is used for the tunneling, it is possible to aggregate
all traffic between any two pairs of offices onto a single
authenticated, encrypted SA, thus providing in- tegrity control,
secrecy, and even considerable immunity to traffic analysis. Many
firewalls have VPN capabilities built in. Some ordinary routers can do
this as well, but since firewalls are primarily in the security
business, it is natural to have the tunnels begin and end at the
firewalls, providing a clear separation between the company and the
Internet. Thus, firewalls, VPNs, and IPsec with ESP in tunnel mode are
a natural combination and widely used in practice. Once the SAs have
been established, traffic can begin flowing. To a router within the
Internet, a packet traveling along a VPN tunnel is just an ordinary
packet. The only thing unusual about it is the presence of the IPsec
header after the IP header, but since these extra headers have no
effect on the forwarding process, the routers do not care about this
extra header.
Another approach that is gaining popularity is to have the ISP set up
the VPN. Using MPLS (as discussed in Chap. 5), paths for the VPN
traffic can be set up across the ISP network between the company
offices. These paths keep the VPN traffic separate from other Internet
traffic and can be guaranteed a certain amount of bandwidth or other
quality of service.
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
Do both approaches in the quote to build VPNs are layer 3
approaches? (Seems to me yes, because the technologies involved to built VPNs seem to be layer 3)Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer
5 approach to build VPNs? How do a openvpn server and client work
together to build a VPN? I can't figure it out based on the two
approaches in the book.Similar questions for SSH VPN to those for openvpn.
Thanks.
vpn
From Tanenbaum's Computer Network
This demand soon led to the invention of VPNs (Virtual Private Networks),
which are overlay networks on top of public networks but with most of the properties of private networks.
One popular approach is to build VPNs directly over the Internet. A
common design is to equip each office with a firewall and create
tunnels through the Internet between all pairs of offices. ... When
the system is brought up, each pair of firewalls has to negotiate the
parameters of its SA, including the services, modes, algorithms, and
keys. If IPsec is used for the tunneling, it is possible to aggregate
all traffic between any two pairs of offices onto a single
authenticated, encrypted SA, thus providing in- tegrity control,
secrecy, and even considerable immunity to traffic analysis. Many
firewalls have VPN capabilities built in. Some ordinary routers can do
this as well, but since firewalls are primarily in the security
business, it is natural to have the tunnels begin and end at the
firewalls, providing a clear separation between the company and the
Internet. Thus, firewalls, VPNs, and IPsec with ESP in tunnel mode are
a natural combination and widely used in practice. Once the SAs have
been established, traffic can begin flowing. To a router within the
Internet, a packet traveling along a VPN tunnel is just an ordinary
packet. The only thing unusual about it is the presence of the IPsec
header after the IP header, but since these extra headers have no
effect on the forwarding process, the routers do not care about this
extra header.
Another approach that is gaining popularity is to have the ISP set up
the VPN. Using MPLS (as discussed in Chap. 5), paths for the VPN
traffic can be set up across the ISP network between the company
offices. These paths keep the VPN traffic separate from other Internet
traffic and can be guaranteed a certain amount of bandwidth or other
quality of service.
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
Do both approaches in the quote to build VPNs are layer 3
approaches? (Seems to me yes, because the technologies involved to built VPNs seem to be layer 3)Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer
5 approach to build VPNs? How do a openvpn server and client work
together to build a VPN? I can't figure it out based on the two
approaches in the book.Similar questions for SSH VPN to those for openvpn.
Thanks.
vpn
vpn
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There are layer-2 and layer-3 VPNs. "VPN" is a term used for a tunnel combined with encryption.
A tunneling interface encapsulates an inner packet (or frame) in an outer packet. This inner packet is then transported to the far tunnel end, according to the outer packet, and decapsulated again. For the inner packet the tunnel looks like a direct connection, regardless of the path of the outer packet.
Tunneling somewhat defies the strict OSI layering. Usually, layer-3 packets are tunneled over layer 3 (IPsec) or layer 4 (TCP or UDP). An L3 tunnel routes between two networks.
When layer-2 frames are tunneled, the networks are bridged together.
OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption. SSH has an inherent tunneling mechanism for arbitrary connections including port forwarding.
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
add a comment |
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
It's both. And it's others. The VPN software is layers 5-7, whilst commonly L3 routing is used to direct packets trough the VPN. Note that layers generally break down above layer 3; there's fuzzy boundaries.
Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer 5 approach to build VPNs?
Yes, but the result is a layer 3 tunnel. You have to differentiate between the tunnel and the software that builds it, and how traffic trough the tunnel is handled.
Note that OpenVPN may run in L2 mode as well, commonly known as tap device.
New contributor
vidarlo is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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There are layer-2 and layer-3 VPNs. "VPN" is a term used for a tunnel combined with encryption.
A tunneling interface encapsulates an inner packet (or frame) in an outer packet. This inner packet is then transported to the far tunnel end, according to the outer packet, and decapsulated again. For the inner packet the tunnel looks like a direct connection, regardless of the path of the outer packet.
Tunneling somewhat defies the strict OSI layering. Usually, layer-3 packets are tunneled over layer 3 (IPsec) or layer 4 (TCP or UDP). An L3 tunnel routes between two networks.
When layer-2 frames are tunneled, the networks are bridged together.
OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption. SSH has an inherent tunneling mechanism for arbitrary connections including port forwarding.
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
add a comment |
There are layer-2 and layer-3 VPNs. "VPN" is a term used for a tunnel combined with encryption.
A tunneling interface encapsulates an inner packet (or frame) in an outer packet. This inner packet is then transported to the far tunnel end, according to the outer packet, and decapsulated again. For the inner packet the tunnel looks like a direct connection, regardless of the path of the outer packet.
Tunneling somewhat defies the strict OSI layering. Usually, layer-3 packets are tunneled over layer 3 (IPsec) or layer 4 (TCP or UDP). An L3 tunnel routes between two networks.
When layer-2 frames are tunneled, the networks are bridged together.
OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption. SSH has an inherent tunneling mechanism for arbitrary connections including port forwarding.
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
add a comment |
There are layer-2 and layer-3 VPNs. "VPN" is a term used for a tunnel combined with encryption.
A tunneling interface encapsulates an inner packet (or frame) in an outer packet. This inner packet is then transported to the far tunnel end, according to the outer packet, and decapsulated again. For the inner packet the tunnel looks like a direct connection, regardless of the path of the outer packet.
Tunneling somewhat defies the strict OSI layering. Usually, layer-3 packets are tunneled over layer 3 (IPsec) or layer 4 (TCP or UDP). An L3 tunnel routes between two networks.
When layer-2 frames are tunneled, the networks are bridged together.
OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption. SSH has an inherent tunneling mechanism for arbitrary connections including port forwarding.
There are layer-2 and layer-3 VPNs. "VPN" is a term used for a tunnel combined with encryption.
A tunneling interface encapsulates an inner packet (or frame) in an outer packet. This inner packet is then transported to the far tunnel end, according to the outer packet, and decapsulated again. For the inner packet the tunnel looks like a direct connection, regardless of the path of the outer packet.
Tunneling somewhat defies the strict OSI layering. Usually, layer-3 packets are tunneled over layer 3 (IPsec) or layer 4 (TCP or UDP). An L3 tunnel routes between two networks.
When layer-2 frames are tunneled, the networks are bridged together.
OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption. SSH has an inherent tunneling mechanism for arbitrary connections including port forwarding.
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Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
add a comment |
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Thanks. "OpenVPN uses SSL VPN over UDP or TCP (layer 4) with SSL encryption". Do you mean the protocols from top to bottom are: VPN, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
1 hour ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
VPN is not a protocol. OpenVPN uses UDP or TCP with SSL and tunnels IP within.
– Zac67
52 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
Thanks. Are protocols from top to bottom (one encapsulate the one below) are: IP, SSL, UDP/TCP?
– Tim
47 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
If you insist: IP encapsulated in UDP/SSL over IP is the most common variant (OpenVPN also supports L2 VPN, SSL is more or less a TCP or UDP option).
– Zac67
11 mins ago
add a comment |
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
It's both. And it's others. The VPN software is layers 5-7, whilst commonly L3 routing is used to direct packets trough the VPN. Note that layers generally break down above layer 3; there's fuzzy boundaries.
Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer 5 approach to build VPNs?
Yes, but the result is a layer 3 tunnel. You have to differentiate between the tunnel and the software that builds it, and how traffic trough the tunnel is handled.
Note that OpenVPN may run in L2 mode as well, commonly known as tap device.
New contributor
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Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
It's both. And it's others. The VPN software is layers 5-7, whilst commonly L3 routing is used to direct packets trough the VPN. Note that layers generally break down above layer 3; there's fuzzy boundaries.
Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer 5 approach to build VPNs?
Yes, but the result is a layer 3 tunnel. You have to differentiate between the tunnel and the software that builds it, and how traffic trough the tunnel is handled.
Note that OpenVPN may run in L2 mode as well, commonly known as tap device.
New contributor
vidarlo is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
It's both. And it's others. The VPN software is layers 5-7, whilst commonly L3 routing is used to direct packets trough the VPN. Note that layers generally break down above layer 3; there's fuzzy boundaries.
Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer 5 approach to build VPNs?
Yes, but the result is a layer 3 tunnel. You have to differentiate between the tunnel and the software that builds it, and how traffic trough the tunnel is handled.
Note that OpenVPN may run in L2 mode as well, commonly known as tap device.
New contributor
vidarlo is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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Is VPN a layer 3 or 5 concept? (seems to me yes?)
It's both. And it's others. The VPN software is layers 5-7, whilst commonly L3 routing is used to direct packets trough the VPN. Note that layers generally break down above layer 3; there's fuzzy boundaries.
Does openvpn use the server-client model and therefore a layer 5 approach to build VPNs?
Yes, but the result is a layer 3 tunnel. You have to differentiate between the tunnel and the software that builds it, and how traffic trough the tunnel is handled.
Note that OpenVPN may run in L2 mode as well, commonly known as tap device.
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Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Thanks. WHat is the tunnelling protocol provided by openvpn?
– Tim
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
Many. As L2 tunnel? Whatever you care to throw at it.
– vidarlo
1 hour ago
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$window.unbind('scroll', onScroll);
;
$window.on('scroll', onScroll);
);
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StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
var $window = $(window),
onScroll = function(e)
var $elem = $('.new-login-left'),
docViewTop = $window.scrollTop(),
docViewBottom = docViewTop + $window.height(),
elemTop = $elem.offset().top,
elemBottom = elemTop + $elem.height();
if ((docViewTop elemBottom))
StackExchange.using('gps', function() StackExchange.gps.track('embedded_signup_form.view', location: 'question_page' ); );
$window.unbind('scroll', onScroll);
;
$window.on('scroll', onScroll);
);
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StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
var $window = $(window),
onScroll = function(e)
var $elem = $('.new-login-left'),
docViewTop = $window.scrollTop(),
docViewBottom = docViewTop + $window.height(),
elemTop = $elem.offset().top,
elemBottom = elemTop + $elem.height();
if ((docViewTop elemBottom))
StackExchange.using('gps', function() StackExchange.gps.track('embedded_signup_form.view', location: 'question_page' ); );
$window.unbind('scroll', onScroll);
;
$window.on('scroll', onScroll);
);
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Sign up using Google
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Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
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Required, but never shown